What Intelligent Design Seems To Ignore

I’m actually not writing this as an attack or even criticism of ID.

Its been bothering me for quite a while that supporters of ID can’t understand why it doesn’t belong in science classes. 

The core reason is that these people don’t understand what science is.  They think that science is a quest for truth, for fact.  Many scientists will agree, but it isn’t hard to find one who doesn’t, and who instead sees science as a tool that adequately describes the universe for our purposes (big difference there). 

The thing is, that’s only half the game.  Science is both goal AND method.  Even if ID were true, it STILL wouldn’t be science because it doesn’t follow the scientific method.

Look, lets suppose I wanted to let people know about the plight of starving countries around the globe.  I might make a big old presentation about covering the economics and policy decisions surrounding the situation it with PowerPoint charts and note cards, and hand outs, and so forth.  Or, I might write a fiction novel, or paint a picture, or make a documentary.  All of these things might get us to the truth, but we would not say they were the same.  In a policy context, we’d probably use the presentation, in an ethics class, maybe the novel and documentary.  And, sometimes there would be cross-over in context and genre, but it would always be notable as an exception.  My point is that we wouldn’t go before congress and read the novel, nor would we show the presentation in a literature class.  The PowerPoint slides aren’t literature, and the novel isn’t a congressional report.

The same applies with Intelligent Design.  It may be true, it is, in fact, impossible to say that it CAN’T be true (which is one of the reasons it isn’t a science).  But even if God (or an alien, or whatever) himself came down and spoke to every scientist in the world and told them that ID was true, it STILL wouldn’t be science.  And any definition of science that would allow for it would be virtually meaningless, or, at least, useless.

And that’s why ID doesn’t belong in a science class.

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Expelled: More idiots get free tickets

OK, well, jeez…
1. there is no debate about Intelligent Design in academia BECAUSE Intelligent Design has yet to say anything useable. Now, I’m not saying that there aren’t legitimate criticisms of modern evolutionary theory, but when all you bring to the table is “Here’s a problem that hasn’t been resolved, therefor there’s something magic happening”, you aren’t invited much.
When ID can say ANYTHING in a scientific context, I’m sure talk will start.

2. Why do people shy away from God as the source of life on Earth, and choose to go with theories that seem unlikely in many ways? Because Occams Razor guides them. Look, we know physical life exists (that would be us). So the idea of another physical life-form ’seeding’ earth is MUCH more likely than a supernatural being which we have no proof of (except via bootstrap).

3. Finally, regarding the horrible PC Liberalism and it’s stranglehold over the media: Did you watch the Presidential debates? Have you noticed how religion keeps coming up time and time again? Have you noticed that the only group more disliked than atheists are Scientologists? If the PC Media Overlords are pro-atheist, then they are doing a LOUSY job at it.

(btw, if you really feel like bringing up Hitler, you’d better welcome comments about the Inquisition and Crusades and Jihadis and so forth. And you just might want to remember the internet law that states that any discussion pretty much ends the moment you compare the other side to Hitler/Nazis. Stein, as a jew, should be ashamed of himself.)

Ben Stein Vs. Sputtering Atheists - Yahoo! News

Evolution is another one of those one-sided debates. We know the concept of Intelligent Design is stifled in academic circles. An entire documentary to state the obvious? You can see my reluctance to view it.

It’s understood that God had nothing to do with the origins of life on
Earth. What, then, is the alternate explanation? Stein asks these
experts, and their very serious answers are priceless. One theorizes
that life began somehow on the backs of crystals. Another states
electric sparks from a lightning storm created organic matter (out of
nothing). Another declares that life was brought to Earth by aliens.
Anything but God.

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Why Evolution Wins

The list of ways in which evolution is criticized and why they are wrong

And that, my friends, is why evolution is science and Intelligent Design is not.

When ID can stand up to the same standards that evolution can, then we’ll talk.

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Dinesh D’Souza: What schools are you going to???

Dear Dinesh,

What public highschools are assigning all these books on evolution???  I can easily see these showing up in college courses, but I can’t imagine that you’d be quite so concerned there.  I ask because those schools obviously have a very high academic bar and I’d like to send my kids there. 

When I was in high school, we spent perhaps a couple days on evolution at best, and I was in an advanced class.

I wonder, though…you never actually say that these quotes come from books in public high schools.  Just that these quotes exist in books that are assigned.  Are they assigned in biology classes?  Theology classes?  Private schools?  Public schools?  Colleges?  Adult Education classes?  Reading circles?

Of course these books rarely see it into the hands of ‘the children’.

But you must create fear or else you become irrelevant.

All my love,

j

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FSM means rational people aren’t neutral? are religious? What?

So, as you’ve probably heard, at some courthouse in Crossville, Tennasee, there’s now a statue of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (along with Jesus, etc.).

Someone, apparently, is quite upset by the whole thing.  Its not completely clear what he is upset about, but at the very least he is poorly informed about almost everything he discusses.  As a disclaimer, I have to admit (if you don’t already know it) that I don’t see any significant difference between FSM and Jesus, or, at least, I don’t see one of them as more or less bizarre or likely than the other.  Interestingly, I don’t see this as an insult to Christianity.  I think that, once you have an omnipotent, supernatural being, and his son being sent to Earth, and all these miracles, you just gone into the realm of the strange so far that it becomes difficult to see anything as being impossible.

That said, the Josh appears to be suffering from some sort of persecution syndrome which is common amoung those who have a massive majority (whites, men, christians) or disproportionate amounts of power in society.  They become very agitated when their views are not taken as law, or they have to share their space with others, etc.  One has to wonder, would Mr. Hayes be so quick to jump to the defense of Scientology?  Buddhism?  Taoism?  Probably not. 

Here’s my initial breakdown.

1. He’s complaining that people who vote based on their religions are being kept out of public debate.

“In our present context, those advocating for a completely secular state
discriminate against those who appeal to Christianity or the Bible for
guidance in public policy by merely labeling their agenda as religious”

But it seems to me that if you are guided by your religion, and your religious text, then by definition you have a religions agenda.  Call me nuts.
Further, once you have a religious agenda, there’s no point to debating.
Let’s see an example using abortion.
Person 1: Abortion should be illegal because the child within that womb has a soul and is therefor alive.
Person 2: Abortion should be illegal because the foetus is sufficiently developed to be considered alive and human.  Further, the foetus feels pain when the abortion is done.
Person 1 is stating a dogmatic belief which can’t possibly be argued against.  It may, in fact, be true, but there’s no point in debating it.
Person 2, however, is offering up evidence and making an argument.  His first statement may be a little hazy, but his second statement is clear as day.  Either one of these could be discussed and new information could be introduced to support or undermine his claims.

If Person 1 is prevented from taking part in a debate (and I’ve yet to see any evidence of this sort of thing happening…just look at the Republican Presidential debates), its only because they aren’t bringing anything to the table that can be debated (I suppose you could have a theological debate about whether or not the ‘child’ has a soul). 

2. Secular people are not neutral.

 ”In spite of their best efforts to appear as the objective, rational party, those opposed to Intelligent Design and the influence of religion upon the state have shown themselves to not be so “neutral” after all.”

I’m not at all certain what he’s talking about here.  In what way does any of this show a lack of neutrality? Further, where does rationality imply neutrality? 
A rational person approaches a situation or issue with an open mind, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a priori knowledge.  If you tell me a rock is made of gold, I can approach it rationally, and, knowing what I
know, test to see if it is really gold.  That test does not mean I am biased towards or against it being gold.
I have acquired knowledge and applied it.  Further, more than just factual knowledge can be applied to situations a rational person finds themselves in.  If we decide that logic is a useful tool, then in every situation, I can then apply logic to help me judge truth from fiction.  I do not have to recompile all the rules of logic in every situation.
In the case of I.D., the same thing applies.  Arguments might be made for Intelligent Design against evolution, but that doesn’t mean that both theories must wiegh equally (which is what proponants of I.D. want you to see as ‘fairness’).  Were one to apply this rule to all things, then we’d have to include, say, ‘time cube’ in out classrooms and all conspiracy theories about the moon landing, JFK’s assasination, and the Masons.  That isn’t neutrality.  Neutrality would be looking at the arguments for and against each side and determining which makes the stronger case, without presupposing the outcome (assuming you have no knowledge of the topic).
Again, neutrality doesn’t mean not having an informed opinion, nor does it mean going into every situation tabula rasa.  A rational person need not claim neutrality as a characteristic.  A rational person claims adherance to facts in evidence and logic.

3. He appears to be angry at Darwin

” While the idea of creation via the Flying Spaghetti Monster may seem ridiculous, modern Darwinist dogma is even more ridiculous in saying the universe came into existence out of nothing. To put it in mathematical terms, nobody multiplied by nothing equals everything”

Of course,   Darwin, and evolutionary biologists don’t make that claim at all.  In fact, that claim falls well outside the boundaries of biology.  So this may be the result of anger based on a misunderstanding, I suppose. 
Mr. Hayes, I do suggest that perhaps your energy spent writing this ‘editorial’ would have been better spent reading about rational thought and evolutionary theory (Darwinism, Neo-darwinism) so that you at least know what your opponant is actually saying.

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PZ Myers: EXPELLED…but that lets someone else in under the radar

PZ Myers, famed evolutionist, atheist, and general all-around smart guy tried to go to a screening of Expelled, a nice bit of propaganda put together by those who hate and fear science (and I say that not because ID is or isn’t true, but purely because it ISN’T science…if they can put together a scientific framework for ID, then we can talk).

Myers gets booted…but his guest, Dawkins, gets in!!

Pharyngula: EXPELLED!

I went to attend a screening of the creationist propaganda movie, Expelled, a few minutes ago. Well, I tried … but I was Expelled! It was kind of weird — I was standing in line, hadn’t even gotten to the point where I had to sign in and show ID, and a policeman pulled me out of line and told me I could not go in. I asked why, of course, and he said that a producer of the film had specifically instructed him that I was not to be allowed to attend. The officer also told me that if I tried to go in, I would be arrested. I assured him that I wasn’t going to cause any trouble.

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